Mean Street
Fri 23 Jan 2009
Into The Unknown: Mean Street R.I.P
On Saturday, January 31, Mean Street will play their last Auckland show under that name. I sat down with Billie and Emily to find out what the future holds for the band and tried to get a few clues as to what their new band name will be.
It was a bit like interviewing one of grunge’s true legends; like a shy Kurt Cobain, Emily Littler was not prepared to talk too much about the battles she has had with other bands, promoters and venue owners, she was firmly focused on putting that in the past and moving onto bigger and brighter things. Billie Rogers, as much an integral part of the band as Emily, was happy to share her thoughts; but just like Krist Novoselic, she always had a smile on her face and her words were complementary to her band mates.
After being named Mean Street since early 2006, the band has decided the name is no longer suitable. It’s something that has been on their minds since the beginning, and with recent changes to the band’s line-up they decided time was ripe to make the change. A few months ago the band picked up a new drummer, after many frustrations with their previous drummer led to conflicting ambitions. New drummer Alex Brown, previously in The DHDFDs, has stepped into the band perfectly and has sparked a new drive in both Emily and Billie to release a record and tour new places both locally and overseas. Emily explains, “We have to change our name because there’s bands overseas called that and we’ve got a new drummer and we want to go in a new sort of direction. We’d always known we’ll have to change it sooner or later. We’ve been trying to think of new names for years and we were just like, nah, we’ve got to set a date and do it by then, otherwise we’ll just fuck around forever.”
As of yet, it is hard to know if the band has decided on a new name. When asked the hot question Billie answered “No” while at the same time Emily said “Yes”. Right now they are not giving any clues away, their new name will be announced live on stage at Camp A Low Hum sometime between February 6 and 8. The new name will then become the face to a new set of recordings the band hope to get done for release sometime in the immediate future. Recording has been a frustrating process so far for the band, trying to get things done on a low budget but to a quality they actually like has proved difficult. Emily says “the problem with getting people to record you for free is that you can’t make them do anything. We’re going to try and do it one last time for free or for a small amount of money.” Their lack of quality recordings is somewhat limiting the band’s ability to go forward, both Arch Hill Records in New Zealand and several Australian labels have expressed interest in the band but things can only progress when the band has those precious recordings.
“At the Kings Arms the bar staff are young people who want to go out clubbing…”
The band also plan to tour outside of Auckland a bit more throughout 2009. With the Auckland music scene in a recession, bands seem to be fighting just to make a buck, making it a less desirable place to play. Emily says “I think a lot of bands in New Zealand see music as a competition…I think it would be better if there was more of a scene because it doesn’t seem like there’s many bands at the moment.” It’s a thought echoed by Billie, who says “People aren’t really supporting each other like they should and it’s a bit of a shit time for live music. I don’t think there’s much respect between bands.” Remembering back to a few years ago, Emily recalls the live environment being very lively, “I remember back when there was Teenwolf, The Whipping Cats and Kill Surf City and nobody cared that you were playing with the same bands each week. People would still go and dance and be happy.”
Perhaps part of the problem stems from the lack of supportive venues in Auckland, club nights seem to be taking over several venues and all-ages shows are few and far between. It wasn’t until late last year that Mean Street played their first all-ages show, and despite not getting paid their full guarantee both Billie and Emily agree it was one of the funnest shows they have ever played. Billie says, “We loved that, I was smiling the whole night after that, it had such good energy.” For their final Auckland Mean Street show they have chosen to play at Whammy, which Emily says is “the only good place to play.” Whammy’s friendly management style and vibe is attractive to young bands, supporting their DIY attitude and giving bands who may be stereotyped as ‘trouble makers’ a place to play. Mean Street has had plenty of dealings with less supportive venues, most notably The Kings Arms. Emily recalls, “At the Kings Arms the bar staff are young people who want to go out clubbing so they want you to play really early and they don’t even give you a rider or anything. And you have to pay to play there.”
When Emily, Billie and Alex return to Auckland after Camp A Low Hum they will no longer be in a band named Mean Street. Perhaps with a fresh start and a new name, they may be able to convince people to show them some more respect. With little room for egos in such a small city, the music community would definitely benefit if everyone came together. Money may be tight, but demanding money while other bands miss out will not help in the long run, especially when the money is being put towards making good quality music.
To win a double pass to Mean Street’s last Auckland show, email your name to music@einsteinmusicjournal.co.nz with Mean Street in the subject line.
Mean Street- You Do The Math: MP3
Posted by Nick Fulton under New Zealand
[42] Comments










January 24th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
i’m starting to think this blog’s just an elaborate in-joke. one which i totally don’t get. HA HA NIRVANA LOL.
January 24th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
mean street suck balls
January 24th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
thats right mean st, you leave the math to us
January 24th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
Wa. Show your face. I’m a fan.
January 25th, 2009 at 2:08 am
pffffff. Emilys hardly a ‘grunge legend’ like Kurt Cobain!
January 25th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Mean Street are still the best band I’ve seen in the 8 months I’ve lived in Auckland, and I’ve seen plenty of really good ones.
I think the reason these guys are so good is because they have SONGS.
Really, really awesome songs. They don’t just get by on ‘having a wild stage show lolz’ or by dressing cool. They’re just a fucking great band. I would be very surprised if they don’t get picked up by a sweet label in the next year.
Can’t wait for a proper EP or album.
January 25th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
So THATS why they only played two songs when I saw them at the KA
January 25th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
I also think Mean Street are a fuckin’ sweet band. They’ve got good songs & good stage presence. Looking forward to hearing an EP or something in the near future guys.
January 25th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
Mean St are OK. Nothing that amazing.
January 25th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
i work at the kings arms, and none of us really go clubbing at all. in fact i really enjoy mean street shows, id say we want bands to play quickly when we are working is because indie kids are ass wholes to serve alcohol to. and i think that its true that the Auckland music scene has turned to shit recently either because no one is willing to spend money or they just cant be bothered. i think the real reason we dont give mean street a rider is because once they drank too much and the other bands complained. whammy is also great because of its “i dont give a shit ” vibe but no one should shit on venues when it is the people that arent turning up to shows which is the problem.
January 26th, 2009 at 1:54 am
emily iz my nemisis
January 26th, 2009 at 11:07 am
kings arms don’t give any bands a rider, its up to the promoter to provide a rider there. the point is, why are bands paying to play at bars to that the bar makes $678283272398 off alcohol sales and the band gets %0.
January 26th, 2009 at 11:34 am
What’s the deal with all the hate towards them? They suddenly become less underground and the obvious comparisons to Nirvana and the worm has turned?
For shame – seems Auckland can’t handle success, unless it’s from overseas….
January 26th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
Auckland can handle success! But some people can’t, and call it ‘selling out’.
January 26th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
damn indie kids and their hatin’ mean st frickin rule they are definately one of if not the best band in auckland right now
January 26th, 2009 at 7:17 pm
Twiz: Nobodies willing to spend money? I paid to get in, Mean Street paid to play, seems like the only one not spending any money is the KA… and youre profitting from the whole thing!
January 26th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
goddam indie kids are as wholes now? I thought the problem was we did everything halfassed…
January 26th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
I’d record mean st an ep if they’d let me keep one…
January 27th, 2009 at 8:10 am
I can understand bars charging bands (to an extent), but only if it’s to pay a sound engineer. Otherwise, it’s crap. I’d love to know how many people a bar like the KA would have in there just drinking if no bands played there. My guess would be very few. And if indie kids are assholes, why don’t you try working at a no-neck, jock viaduct bar and see what it’s really like to have shitty customers.
January 27th, 2009 at 10:21 am
Little ironic, making the Cobain comparison and saying Emily doesn’t want to harp on about unsupportive venues – and then quote her bitchy little comment about the KA?
The Kings Arms formula works. Yes, newish bands don’t get a lot out of it financially, but they get a lot of exposure they wouldn’t otherwise. If it was so easy to make money by letting little-known locals play (and still pay them riders), everyone would be doing it. It isn’t. The paucity of venues around Auckland isn’t some nasty anti-new-bands conspiracy, it’s because it’s damn hard to do while still making money.
Retarded ‘lol its cause they want 2 go clubbin at the viaduct’ comments don’t help, maybe focus on making music that doesn’t sound like you’d hear it on Nickelodeon instead.
January 27th, 2009 at 10:52 am
i dont want to say too much in case i get into shit, but its true that there are some big “capitalist” gaining the big bucks off small up and coming bands, and that sucks, but theyre the only ones making the money. not the people who work there. i just work there for the free gigs, so i can get around the ridiculous prices that gigs seem to be these days, everywhere. what happened to the good old days when you could catch any gig for under $10? promoters are the ones that pay for the venue fees, and if they choose the KA, then thats their decision. as much as whammy wine cellar cassette and all these places are cool, max cap is just so low and you end up waiting outside for half the show.
January 27th, 2009 at 11:01 am
Whammy has a higher capacity than KA. Unless you count the garden bar where you can’t see anything, can’t hear anything, can’t get booze, and get rained on 90% of the time.
Just saying.
January 27th, 2009 at 11:19 am
its true once my band played at KA. The bar staff put their hands over their ears when we were soundchecking. And yelled for us to shut up when someones guitar fed back. Then got all annoyed when the show hadnt started by 9:00 and were heard specifically saying to the bar manager “i wanted to go downtown after this”, and made us play at 9:30 and we had to cut our set short. When we asked about a rider we were told it was the promoters responsibility to bring in beers from an outside source and when we asked if we could do this we were told it had to be organised with the bar manager weeks in advance.Alot of people dont like the way the Kings Arms treats people. And less and less gigs are being put on there because of it.
January 27th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
Mean street are THE best band in auckland. One of the first bands i saw when i moved up here. And none of the other local bands I’ve seen up here since have impressed me more than they have. Mean Street fucking dominate. What the fuck was with that comment about the music sounding like it should be on nickelodean? Are you retarded?
January 27th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
It is worth noting for lol factor that the Nirvana song “Stay away” from the album “Nevermind” was originally called “pay to play” about bands having to pay to play at venues
lyrix samplez
“monkey see monkey do
i’d rather be dead than cool”
January 27th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
“maybe focus on making music that doesn’t sound like you’d hear it on Nickelodeon instead”
Wow….. Nickelodeon’s changed since I was a nipper. They actually play off kilter music now instead of Blues Clues and junk like that?
January 27th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
mean street are amazing!! they have an attitude, but that makes them even more fun to watch
and kings arms does kinda suck, especially that dick that walks around asking everyone for id. IM PLAYING TONIGHT YOU DICK. YOU ASKED ME HALF AN HOUR AGO.
January 27th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
I think Emily is right….Whether we have our head in the sand or up our own a**ses,…..The scene is suffering.
January 27th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
Dear Spinner, “You Do The Math” is not actually about simple addition and subtraction! Shocking, I know.
Mean Street are great.
How much does Kings Arms actually charge peepz to play?
January 27th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
It depends what night you’re on. Last time i booked a Friday there, it was $250.
January 27th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
as much as we all hate the big guy stealing the little band’s money from their back pocket, your still going to play there. why? who is making them?
on this blog there’s no point in mocking Mean Street’s music. personally i like their music, regardless of what i think of the band member’s attitudes. everybody has their own tastes in music but if you like it, you like it, if you don’t, you don’t.
every week bands play at the kings arms, so obviously the problem of a booking fee is not that big of a deal. its not like the pub is there solely so that up and coming bands can get recognized. its a pub and a business. if you don’t want to pay the $100 that i last charged someone to play there, then go to a different venue, which most definatly does not have as large a max cap as the KA ( bar powerstation… do some research and you’ll find that i am right) if a promoter was to truly sell out the KA they would sell next to nearly 500 tickets, before management would perhaps refuse any more. and that hasn’t even reached its legal fire safety requirements yet.
but all of that aside. mean street, hopefully when you come back here, you would have got enough overseas attention to become a hit in your own country, because it seems thats what needs to happen in this country before anyone will take you seriously.
January 27th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
G.O.I. PS THX FOR THE ATTN ITS WHAT I WANTED
XO
January 27th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
Kings arms sucks
mean street are actually pretty awesome
einstein is better than cot
January 27th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
That is quite annoying, who has a spare $250 lying around?
As for the scene suffering, these people beg to differ: http://toohotforpants.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=358
January 28th, 2009 at 10:05 am
I’ll spell it out: The Garden Bar is what makes the KA have a higher cap. than other bars. The Garden Bar is unusable for actually watching a show. I’m not even trying to rag on the KA, it would just be nice to be realistic about shit like this, instead of deliberately misleading people to the point that half the audience have wasted their admission money.
Figure it out.
January 28th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
whammy costs money to put on a show at. almost as much as the king’s arms. you get 20 people paying $10, you’ve covered it. 20 people.
i’m pretty sure everyone here’s in a band, so why did nobody point out the pretty simple math?
January 28th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
whammy bar costs $70 to book the sound man and that’s it.
They’ll even (or at least they used to) pay you a $200 guarantee.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:47 am
just shut up and go to whammy on saturday, that was meant to be what the entire article was about, not some stupid quote taken out of context. this is why auckland sxenze sux, get off yr computers and start actually doing something!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ps chill out or i’ll kick in flight center window on sat
January 29th, 2009 at 9:36 am
is it normal for bands to get paid each gig? the band im in has only gotten paid for about 15% of the gigs we’ve ever played and we’ve never gotten a rider- we just happy to be there. but it would be nice to hav money for band stuff, but now im not sure if thats possible??
January 30th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
Whammy actually costs $170 on a Friday/Saturday. And I’m not sure when the KA charged $100, but as I said before – for a decent night (i.e Friday/Saturday), it’s around $250. And as Shane says, the reason KA has a high capacity is because of the garden bar. Who in their right mind wants to go to a show so they can sit outside and listen? And the reason bands continue to play there is quite simple – a dire lack of venues.
February 24th, 2009 at 11:26 am
mean street walk around like they are fucking gods, they also treat people shit so i think its just karma coming back to suck on them….
if they complain about money maybe they should get a job?
” if you dont work you dont eat ”
you are going to get haters if you shit on venues online … whats more importent in the music scene ??
Kings Arms or Mean Street ??
YOU DO THE MATH !!!
February 24th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
“mean street walk around like they are fucking gods”
I think you just see them doing that because you want to. I’ve never seen them act like they’re better than anyone else, they were super nice to me.